U.S. District Court Dismisses D.C. Commuter Tax Lawsuit

Does that mean if I work in DC and live in VA - I can vote in mayoral
and city council elections. If it's my tax dollars, shouldn't I have a
say in how they are spent?
Sounds alot like taxation without representation?

No one is forcing people who work in the district to live in Virginia. That
holds true, as well, for Jerseyans, New Yorkers, Pennsylvanians and
Nutmeggers, many of whom work in adjoining states. The solution is clear,
and housing in the district reportedly can be quite reasonable.

Keith F. Lynch

2004-04-03 21:15:04 UTC

Plenty of Americans, including me, are permanently forbidden from
voting. We still have to pay taxes.

You have to pay sales taxes when you shop in other states, but that
doeesn't mean you get to vote in their elections.

No one is forcing people who work in the district to live in
Virginia. That holds true, as well, for Jerseyans, New Yorkers,
Pennsylvanians and and housing in the district reportedly can be
quite reasonable.

I've lived in the same place in Virginia for 25 years. If you saw how
many books I have, you'd know why I don't want to move. Why should I
have to move if I get a job in DC? What if the job only lasts a few
months?

At least I live within a reasonable commute range, and right on the
Orange Line. I'm not one of these people who lives out in "horse
country" and demands the ability to commute -- alone in a large SUV --
to DC in twenty minutes, even if it requires spending billions of
dollars of taxpayer money to to widen highways while destroying
thousands of homes and business of those who live within a reasonable
commuting range.

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Keith A. Glass

2004-04-04 01:18:31 UTC

Plenty of Americans, including me, are permanently forbidden from
voting. We still have to pay taxes.

That's the price you pay for being a CONVICTED FELON. Who freely
admits that he pled guity to charges, although you claim it was bad
legal advice. . . .

Post by Keith F. Lynch
You have to pay sales taxes when you shop in other states, but that
doeesn't mean you get to vote in their elections.

You also are not required to purchase items in other states. . .

I've lived in the same place in Virginia for 25 years. If you saw how
many books I have, you'd know why I don't want to move. Why should I
have to move if I get a job in DC? What if the job only lasts a few
months?
At least I live within a reasonable commute range, and right on the
Orange Line. I'm not one of these people who lives out in "horse
country" and demands the ability to commute -- alone in a large SUV --
to DC in twenty minutes, even if it requires spending billions of
dollars of taxpayer money to to widen highways while destroying
thousands of homes and business of those who live within a reasonable
commuting range.

Anyone who wants to be able to commute from "Horse Country" to DC in
20 minutes isn't dealing with either Metro OR the highways: they're
dealing with the FAA, because it would take a VERY fast helicopter to
do so. . .

Nate Nagel

2004-04-04 11:23:16 UTC

Plenty of Americans, including me, are permanently forbidden from
voting. We still have to pay taxes.

That's the price you pay for being a CONVICTED FELON. Who freely
admits that he pled guity to charges, although you claim it was bad
legal advice. . . .

Post by Keith F. Lynch
You have to pay sales taxes when you shop in other states, but that
doeesn't mean you get to vote in their elections.

You also are not required to purchase items in other states. . .

I've lived in the same place in Virginia for 25 years. If you saw how
many books I have, you'd know why I don't want to move. Why should I
have to move if I get a job in DC? What if the job only lasts a few
months?
At least I live within a reasonable commute range, and right on the
Orange Line. I'm not one of these people who lives out in "horse
country" and demands the ability to commute -- alone in a large SUV --
to DC in twenty minutes, even if it requires spending billions of
dollars of taxpayer money to to widen highways while destroying
thousands of homes and business of those who live within a reasonable
commuting range.

If you consider Manassas "horse country" it's not unreasonable, but I-66
is both too small and in very poor condition once you get past Fair
Lakes... sadly Manassas seems to now be just another overbuilt suburb
of DC.

nate

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Keith A. Glass

2004-04-04 13:30:50 UTC

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 07:23:16 -0400, Nate Nagel

Post by Nate Nagel

Post by Keith F. Lynch
At least I live within a reasonable commute range, and right on the
Orange Line. I'm not one of these people who lives out in "horse
country" and demands the ability to commute -- alone in a large SUV --
to DC in twenty minutes, even if it requires spending billions of
dollars of taxpayer money to to widen highways while destroying
thousands of homes and business of those who live within a reasonable
commuting range.

Manassas is NOT "horse country", that starts somewhere past Route 15
and REALLY starts at Winchester.

And 66 is no different from Fair Lakes to Manassas: it's the 4-into-2
merge just PAST Business 234 that makes 66 bad. The OTHER problem is
the feeder roads are overloaded: 28, 29, and Business 234 each need a
minimum of 2, and preferably 4 more lanes . . .

Additionally, Manassas City itself isn't overbuilt: it's the PW County
surrounding it that's grown like weeds on Steroids. With the
exception of a single parcel off Liberia Avenue which was filled with
50-odd McMansions in the past two years, Manassas has been fully
built-out in the late 1980's. . .

Nate Nagel

2004-04-04 22:12:50 UTC

Post by Keith A. Glass
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 07:23:16 -0400, Nate Nagel

Post by Nate Nagel

I was more thinking of between Fair Lakes and DC itself... until you get
inside the beltway the road surface itself is atrocious and traffic is
usually at a near standstill during rush hour.

Post by Keith A. Glass
Additionally, Manassas City itself isn't overbuilt: it's the PW County
surrounding it that's grown like weeds on Steroids. With the
exception of a single parcel off Liberia Avenue which was filled with
50-odd McMansions in the past two years, Manassas has been fully
built-out in the late 1980's. . .

It's overbuilt from my perspective :) My parents had 10 acres around
their house and in the area where I grew up that was a small piece of
property...

If there *were* a way to commute from horse country to DC in 45 minutes
you better believe I'd be the first one out there. (and I'd buy lots of
land, too, so I wouldn't have to see my neighbors except when I wanted
to...)

nate

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Allen Seth Dunn

2004-04-04 22:29:57 UTC

Post by Keith A. Glass
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 07:23:16 -0400, Nate Nagel

Post by Nate Nagel

Manassas is NOT "horse country", that starts somewhere past Route 15
and REALLY starts at Winchester.
And 66 is no different from Fair Lakes to Manassas: it's the 4-into-2
merge just PAST Business 234 that makes 66 bad. The OTHER problem is
the feeder roads are overloaded: 28, 29, and Business 234 each need a
minimum of 2, and preferably 4 more lanes . . .
Additionally, Manassas City itself isn't overbuilt: it's the PW County
surrounding it that's grown like weeds on Steroids. With the
exception of a single parcel off Liberia Avenue which was filled with
50-odd McMansions in the past two years, Manassas has been fully
built-out in the late 1980's. . .

Actually, there was an undeveloped section for the longest time on
Fairview Avenue between just behind the shopping center at the corner
of where the PW Parkway, Liberia Avenue, and Fairview Avenue meet and
Lake Jackson Drive, however, that was recently developed over the last
few years (but it's for sale). In addition, if I recall correctly,
there's also still a small undeveloped section where crops grew until
the past few years next to the shopping center I mentioned above along
Liberia Avenue as well as between the intersections of Richmond Avenue
and Signal Hill Road until Wal-Mart bought the property and developed
it into a new facility that just opened around Thanskgiving. Having
tangled around Manassas a lot over the last 15 years (especially the
last five), I can safely say that is all the undeveloped land in the
City except for a narrow stretch of land directly northeast of Sudley
Road at Godwin Drive that I believe is still being saved for possible
use in the creation of a Tri-County Parkway to serve as the creation
of an outer DC Bypass on the Virginia side (the other major idea is
extending the VA 234 Manassas Bypass north of I-66 which the state
route log lists as Future VA 411).

Allen Seth Dunn

Keith F. Lynch

2004-04-05 03:36:04 UTC

Post by Keith A. Glass
Manassas is NOT "horse country", that starts somewhere past Route 15
and REALLY starts at Winchester.

There's a horse trail that starts just west of Vienna. That's where
I've always considered Virginia horse country to start. That's also
right about where Metro ends.

I certainly don't consider Manassas a DC suburb. Neither Metro nor
Metrobus goes there, it's not in Fairfax County, and it's further
outside the Beltway than anything is inside the Beltway.

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Keith A. Glass

2004-04-05 11:39:43 UTC

Post by Keith A. Glass
Manassas is NOT "horse country", that starts somewhere past Route 15
and REALLY starts at Winchester.

There's a horse trail that starts just west of Vienna. That's where
I've always considered Virginia horse country to start. That's also
right about where Metro ends.
I certainly don't consider Manassas a DC suburb. Neither Metro nor
Metrobus goes there, it's not in Fairfax County, and it's further
outside the Beltway than anything is inside the Beltway.

AS usual, your opinion is not only uninformed, but irrelevant. PRTC
busses connect Prince Willliam County with Metro, as does the VRE.

Manassas, Woodbridge, even FREDERICKBURG are DC suburbs.
Even Warrenton could be considered a suburb: it's the far western edge
of the DC Sprawl, but it's there. . .

Because if DC wasn't there, they'd be FAR smaller than they are. . .

Rothman

2004-04-05 12:08:44 UTC

Post by Keith A. Glass
Manassas is NOT "horse country", that starts somewhere past Route 15
and REALLY starts at Winchester.

There's a horse trail that starts just west of Vienna. That's where
I've always considered Virginia horse country to start. That's also
right about where Metro ends.
I certainly don't consider Manassas a DC suburb. Neither Metro nor
Metrobus goes there, it's not in Fairfax County, and it's further
outside the Beltway than anything is inside the Beltway.

AS usual, your opinion is not only uninformed, but irrelevant. PRTC
busses connect Prince Willliam County with Metro, as does the VRE.
Manassas, Woodbridge, even FREDERICKBURG are DC suburbs.
Even Warrenton could be considered a suburb: it's the far western edge
of the DC Sprawl, but it's there. . .
Because if DC wasn't there, they'd be FAR smaller than they are. . .

I agree. Having lived in PG County in Maryland, Manassas was generally
treated as a suburb.

Keith F. Lynch

2004-04-06 01:06:32 UTC

Post by Keith F. Lynch
Plenty of Americans, including me, are permanently forbidden from
voting. We still have to pay taxes.
That's the price you pay for being a CONVICTED FELON. Who freely
admits that he pled guity to charges, although you claim it was bad
legal advice. . . .

Yes. As I think anyone would have in my position, unless they had far
more knowledge of the law and far more cynicism about the legal system
than most twenty year olds. My court-appointed lawyer lied to me
about what would happen if I went to trial, about what would happen
if I pled guilty, and even about what it was I was pleading guilty to.

A look at my record won't prove that I was innocent, but it will prove
that my record has been absolutely clean before and since. And that
this false conviction was 27 years ago.

I don't demand the right to vote. I don't even demand exemption from
taxes. All I ask is that Virginia *stop* *counting* *me* during the
census. If they won't let me vote, they shouldn't get to count me for
purposes of congressional representation. I am not represented in
congress.

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John R Cambron

2004-04-06 15:17:17 UTC